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	<title>Comments on: Assignment Photography: How to charge and price up assignments &#8211; part five</title>
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		<title>By: PP</title>
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		<dc:creator>PP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nic, 

You&#039;re right this is all down to negotiation.  The idea of BUR is to give you a tangible base from which to calculate additional licences. 

The BUR figure is assuming the complete &quot;set&quot; of images supplied in the examples above and the client knows that the &quot;set&quot; contains X images. some photographers set a BUR PER IMAGE which can work if you are doing low volume/high production value work.  BUR is just a tool to make calculating usage easier to understand.   

Now, in your case you have quoted a day rate and a BUR for an unlimited amount of images that isn&#039;t specified, so one part of the equation is missing.  However all is not lost. 

Let&#039;s say you supply 65 images and they want to use 6 in print in a flyer. Calculate as 6/65ths(or however many finals you produce) X BUR % for the media they want, for the time they want it. So work on a fraction of the set (and this applies to additional uses or re-uses) unless they&#039;re licencing the whole set. 

Hope that makes sense. 

Always remember to estimate a price for X images, Y uses, Z period of time. Get those three elements in there somewhere so there&#039;s no question of &quot;unlimited&quot;. 

Oh, and when you supply the web finals, limit the size to 1024px 72ppi - don&#039;t give them 300ppi hi-res! That way you still have control. 

Best

PP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nic, </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right this is all down to negotiation.  The idea of BUR is to give you a tangible base from which to calculate additional licences. </p>
<p>The BUR figure is assuming the complete &#8220;set&#8221; of images supplied in the examples above and the client knows that the &#8220;set&#8221; contains X images. some photographers set a BUR PER IMAGE which can work if you are doing low volume/high production value work.  BUR is just a tool to make calculating usage easier to understand.   </p>
<p>Now, in your case you have quoted a day rate and a BUR for an unlimited amount of images that isn&#8217;t specified, so one part of the equation is missing.  However all is not lost. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you supply 65 images and they want to use 6 in print in a flyer. Calculate as 6/65ths(or however many finals you produce) X BUR % for the media they want, for the time they want it. So work on a fraction of the set (and this applies to additional uses or re-uses) unless they&#8217;re licencing the whole set. </p>
<p>Hope that makes sense. </p>
<p>Always remember to estimate a price for X images, Y uses, Z period of time. Get those three elements in there somewhere so there&#8217;s no question of &#8220;unlimited&#8221;. </p>
<p>Oh, and when you supply the web finals, limit the size to 1024px 72ppi &#8211; don&#8217;t give them 300ppi hi-res! That way you still have control. </p>
<p>Best</p>
<p>PP</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading this page again and feel that I need a little clarification on one or two points.  I hope you can help.

Using your words of wisdom and advice on the AOP site as a guide, I have set my day rate at £695 for a two day corporate photography shoot, plus a post production fee of £300, giving a total of £1,690.  The images are being taken for their web site and I&#039;ll grant them usage rights for online, unlimited time, in the UK.  Sadly I didn&#039;t specify in my initial estimate how many photographs I would supply, however I would guess that it would be approximately 65.

I now know that the client will want to use some of the images for brochures and flyers so I want to provide them with an estimate for that use.  They have already said to me that they&#039;d be happy to use the images from their web site in the flyers.  Something which would not be covered by my licence and they would look really bad.  Anyway, I understand about how to calculate the re-usage fee based on my BUR, however does that apply to all the images I supplied to them or is it per image.

For example, they want to use one image in a run of 1,000 flyers to be distributed in the UK.  I would negotiate a re-use fee based on 25-50% of my BUR.  They then decided that they would like to use 6 images in different flyer.  Would I calculate (25-50% of BUR) times 6, for the 6 images.  Or would the re-use fee cover all of the images I originally supplied?  But only for that particular flyer?

I appreciate that it&#039;s all down to negotiation, however I wanted to know what&#039;s &quot;normal&quot; and I wanted them to know and appreciate how it works.  As with a lot of clients, they were fully expecting to pay me a fee and then own the photographs, to do anything they liked with them.

It was a mistake not to specify the number of images I would supply, also not discussing usage rights fully right at the beginning was stupid, however I&#039;m learning as I go along.

All help and advice much appreciated.

Nic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading this page again and feel that I need a little clarification on one or two points.  I hope you can help.</p>
<p>Using your words of wisdom and advice on the AOP site as a guide, I have set my day rate at £695 for a two day corporate photography shoot, plus a post production fee of £300, giving a total of £1,690.  The images are being taken for their web site and I&#8217;ll grant them usage rights for online, unlimited time, in the UK.  Sadly I didn&#8217;t specify in my initial estimate how many photographs I would supply, however I would guess that it would be approximately 65.</p>
<p>I now know that the client will want to use some of the images for brochures and flyers so I want to provide them with an estimate for that use.  They have already said to me that they&#8217;d be happy to use the images from their web site in the flyers.  Something which would not be covered by my licence and they would look really bad.  Anyway, I understand about how to calculate the re-usage fee based on my BUR, however does that apply to all the images I supplied to them or is it per image.</p>
<p>For example, they want to use one image in a run of 1,000 flyers to be distributed in the UK.  I would negotiate a re-use fee based on 25-50% of my BUR.  They then decided that they would like to use 6 images in different flyer.  Would I calculate (25-50% of BUR) times 6, for the 6 images.  Or would the re-use fee cover all of the images I originally supplied?  But only for that particular flyer?</p>
<p>I appreciate that it&#8217;s all down to negotiation, however I wanted to know what&#8217;s &#8220;normal&#8221; and I wanted them to know and appreciate how it works.  As with a lot of clients, they were fully expecting to pay me a fee and then own the photographs, to do anything they liked with them.</p>
<p>It was a mistake not to specify the number of images I would supply, also not discussing usage rights fully right at the beginning was stupid, however I&#8217;m learning as I go along.</p>
<p>All help and advice much appreciated.</p>
<p>Nic.</p>
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		<title>By: irfan satria</title>
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		<dc:creator>irfan satria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay got that. Thanks PP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay got that. Thanks PP</p>
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		<title>By: PP</title>
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		<dc:creator>PP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Irfan

Yes it&#039;s easy to adapt to the event market.  See my reply to an event shooter who asked the same question in the comments section of Part Four:

http://www.thephotographybiz.com/photography-business/assignment-photography-how-to-charge-and-price-up-assignments-part-four/#comment-332

PP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Irfan</p>
<p>Yes it&#8217;s easy to adapt to the event market.  See my reply to an event shooter who asked the same question in the comments section of Part Four:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thephotographybiz.com/photography-business/assignment-photography-how-to-charge-and-price-up-assignments-part-four/#comment-332" rel="nofollow">http://www.thephotographybiz.com/photography-business/assignment-photography-how-to-charge-and-price-up-assignments-part-four/#comment-332</a></p>
<p>PP</p>
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		<title>By: irfan satria</title>
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		<dc:creator>irfan satria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good knowledge! i&#039;m a wedding photographer in a distant, lovely part of the globe (malaysia).. i&#039;m new to the photography industry and i just wonder if it is possible to incorporate/adapt some, if not all, parts of this pricing method into event photography just like weddings... tq in advance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good knowledge! i&#8217;m a wedding photographer in a distant, lovely part of the globe (malaysia).. i&#8217;m new to the photography industry and i just wonder if it is possible to incorporate/adapt some, if not all, parts of this pricing method into event photography just like weddings&#8230; tq in advance</p>
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		<title>By: Photographer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article with useful details. Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article with useful details. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great site, and very informative series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great site, and very informative series.</p>
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		<title>By: Photography by Kang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Photography by Kang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just starting to transition from a hobby photographer to charging for my first commissions so this guide is really been helpful for me! I&#039;ve just subscribed to this website, keep up the great work here, it is an excellent resource for budding photogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just starting to transition from a hobby photographer to charging for my first commissions so this guide is really been helpful for me! I&#8217;ve just subscribed to this website, keep up the great work here, it is an excellent resource for budding photogs.</p>
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